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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 28, 2006 5:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: steal your face

who put up the steal your face logo on the main grateful dead forum page,has it always been up?hey dire you want this j.j. cale cd or what.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Ok, here's some irony - I am going to hi-jack this thread not by going OFF topic but by bringing it to the album Steal Your Face

I've been meaning to talk about this for a long time. My guess is as usual I will be in the minority with a disenting opinion:

Steal Your Face is THE most underappreciated album they ever put out. Hear me out on this:

My theory on why even the fans and band seem to discount it are

a) the mix is admittedly lacking
b) the only official live album the band put out ( before Dp of course ) that represents their LEGENDARY 73-74 prowess and it is all first set songs and filler.

Here's what my take is:

This would CLEARLY be one of their greatest if they had either narrowed it down to one disc as follows- not in this order and admittedly they would still want to mix Jer and Bob tunes -

1) Promised Land
2) Cold Rain and Snow - find a better one I dare you
3) Stella Blue
4) 1/2 Step
5) U.S. Blues
6) Sugaree
7) Casey Jones

OR - combine those tunes on Disc one and throw in Eyes and some jams on Disc two. Ok they probably didn't want to repeat any epics they had already released live like AM Dew and D/S etc but still if it had been done that way don't you think opinion would be different?

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Poster: skuzzlebutt Date: Nov 29, 2006 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

1. Agree that the lack of jams is biggest strike against the album
2. Agree that the mix absolutely blows
3. Agree that different (or at least more careful) song selection/sequencing could have corrected point #1 and made it easier to overlook point #2.

However, 30 years after the fact is a little late for rehab- SYF is what it is. Even if you don't happen to be among those who think that the October '74 Winterland run was among the most overrated of the pre-hiatus era (as I am), the expanded movie soundtrack offers a vastly superior sampling of the same source.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Sorry; you can sell me on 73 and even 77, but having been there, arghhh...there is just no way I can ever, ever come to appreciate that album or even those shows, really.

Tragic, sacrilege even. Sorry.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

been where? I thought you saw your last show in 71

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 29, 2006 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Sorry for the mixup; 68-71 is the period I prefer, but only really saw shows from 74 to 82 and then dropped out. I saw them once as a kid in GG Park, but was too young (67) to appreciate them.

Probably a lot of my unhappiness with this production was the long lead time (two yrs), delays, etc., and just didn't measure up, for me.

I do like CRS--though I liked the earlier (68ish) versions better--so you got that right.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 10:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Well I can't comment on seeing shows I didn't see of course but I sure would have loved seeing them in small venues especially during that time frame. Hey to each their own. I myself get burned out only listening to one era of the band. I have my preferences but really there are only a couple of eras I allmost never listen to. In order of eras I listen to the least are - 92-95, 83-86, 66. I like the energy in 66 but can only stand so much of that chessy keyboards sound.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Nov 29, 2006 11:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

I agree completely; I can only listen to 65, 66 and even early 67 for historical interest. Later 68 thru 71 really do it for me, and thanks to many of the suggestions by you all, I am now appreciating much of 73 through 78. I can't get over how much better mixed alot of the shows are from that time period relative to my old tapes...

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Well then you're missing out. Come ON William, you're telling me that CRS does nothing for you? Nor does 1/2 step or Stella Blue? Your loss man but your opion and tastes are yours, no need to apologize for liking what you like.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 11:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

johnny ots

Read my mind why dontcha-and I've been wanting to ask for some thoughts on this.

It's one of the most maligned of all the albums. The old cliche' slam was "Steal Your Face? More like Steal Your Money."

But I could not disagree more. So maybe it's flawed. Who cares. Lesh referred to it by saying, "I love The Grateful Dead, zits and all. Steal Your Face is The Grateful Dead with zits."

Always loved that record. Love the mix-very LIVE sounding.

Some of my favorite cuts, and why:

One of the best Casey Joneses you will EVER hear. Black-Throated Wind, even though it fades, has those strange, vague-sounding chords at the beginning (What the hell is that? A suspended seventh? How do they do that?) with Bob serving up some particularly strong vocal work, if you ask me. And if it's playing in the car, be careful, because that instrumental coda at the end of Stella Blue might just hypnotize you right into oncoming traffic.

And other stuff on it works, too.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

opinion would certainly be different on my end!!! sadly, i think the release i pretty weak as is. not terrible by any stretch, just weak. i agree with your changes - would have been totally different and much more palatable to my taste - good call man.

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Poster: deadmax Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Johnny-on-the-Spot! Right On!

I have loved that album since I first started listening to the dead in 78. It has it's problems but so do the Dead. I mean, c'mon it's an album.

And I completely agree about the songs you picked. The CR&S is great. The Stella Blue turned me on to "Stella Blue" as a song, every note of Jerry's guitar on this song is a story unto itself and I always felt like I could spend an eternity on each one. Ahhh...beautiful. I used to listen to that Album all the time.

Then came the "experts".

They knew that it was not properly mixed and a throw-together by Phil and whatever else. I couldn't believe they plain ole JUST-DIDNT-LIKE-IT! I mean WTF. So I kinda started thinking maybe I was just wrong or something.

Thank you for bringing that up because I am %100 with you on that album.

You are a brave soul indeed and I stand with you.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 9:35am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Right on Max! My personal opinion is that MOST people that say they don't like it decided to make up their mind based on the rest of the flock you know? Instead of giving it an OBJECTIVE listen. I mean there are some great great versions of tunes on there. The CRS and Stella Blue are to me THE definitive versions, ESPECIALLY CRS. I can not think of one that even comes close. And if ever there was a time U.S. Blues was a good song 74 IS that year where that song really held it's own, not just some throw away like it later became.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 12:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Concur-

That Cold Rain & Snow has made me weep on more than one occasion.

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 12:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Crybaby! Just kidding. : P

I have an ex wife who's been trouble all my life. She's made me cry before.

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 3:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

JOTS-
waah waah waah right back atcha

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Nov 29, 2006 3:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Stop cryin or I'll give you something to cry about! Parents ever use that one?

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Poster: BryanE Date: Nov 29, 2006 4:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

JOTS-
Not that I recall. The Old Man (Darren McGavin, RIP) in A Christmas Story says that to little brother Randy when the kid won't eat his meat loaf, doesn't he?
My Dad's style was more along the lines of making me march back to his and Mom's bedroom to retrieve his belt so he could administer an ass-whoopin'. Goddamn, was that a long, dreadful trek. And then he'd ask me how many licks I thought I deserved for whatever it was I had done THIS time. "Gee, Dad, I don't know. Maybe just the understanding that I was wrong and a promise that I'll never do it again would be sufficient." Like that would actually work.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

hey man - johnny emailed me your email today - will email you in a few - thanks man :)

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Nov 28, 2006 6:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Sometimes it is there...and sometimes it is not.

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Poster: cream-puff-war Date: Nov 28, 2006 6:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

someone keeps stealing it.

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Poster: patkelley Date: Nov 28, 2006 6:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

I keep stealing it

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Poster: not_a_typical_daydream Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

Disc 3 of Dick's Picks 19 10/19/73 is stealing it right now. Dark Star>Mind Left Body>Morning Dew, Sugar Mags, Eyes, Stella Blue.
Just one more friendly reminder of why I love the Dead so much. Peace and hang loose.

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Poster: tigerbolt Date: Nov 28, 2006 7:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

my favorite dick's pick,the playing in the band is a face melt.

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Poster: not_a_typical_daydream Date: Nov 28, 2006 8:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: steal your face

I just finished listening to it and I must agree with you. Very nice jam. I may have to get this one back in the rotation again. Good call.